In a recent interview on “Covering the World in Christ” with Paul Neuberger, Karmae Fahr, the founder, president, and CEO of The Fahr Group, shared her insights on being an unapologetic follower of Christ in the executive search industry. The conversation covered the challenges and triumphs of maintaining faith in a corporate environment often dominated by political correctness and cancel culture. Fahr emphasized the importance of embodying Christian values and using one’s platform to spread the message of Christ.

Fahr’s journey and bold stance on faith highlight the need for executives to find balance between professional excellence and spiritual integrity. She encouraged listeners to remain steadfast in their beliefs, suggesting practical steps for integrating faith into everyday business practices. This interview is a testament to how one can lead with conviction and faith, inspiring others to do the same.

If you’re an executive looking to align your professional life with your faith, reach out today. Contact The Fahr Group to find opportunities that resonate with your values.

 

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by Karmae Fahr & Paul Neuberger | starts at 27:00

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Paul Neuberger:
Welcome to “Covering the World in Christ”! If you’re an unapologetic follower of Christ who’s sick of cancel culture and political correctness, you’ve come to the right place. Today, we have a great show for you. Our guest of honor is Karmae Fahr. She is the founder, president, and CEO of The Fahr Group. You’re going to find out throughout this conversation that The Fahr Group is an executive search firm, a world-class organization that is boldly and unapologetically declaring to the world whose they are, obviously, who’s being our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You’re not going to want to miss that conversation coming up here in the third segment of the program.

Paul Neuberger:
Welcome back, everybody. Thank you again for joining us here. Very excited about today’s show, Christ’s salt and light. One of the people that’s going to help us discuss this in the next segment of the program is Karmae Fahr. She’s the founder, president, and CEO of The Fahr Group. And one of the things that I really love about her and her organization, this is an entity that unapologetically and boldly keeps Christ firmly at the center of all that they do. Their logo has a cross on it. They’re very outspoken about their beliefs. They don’t just work with Christian organizations. But if that offends you, go find somebody else. This is an organization that realizes our accountability is to Christ and nobody else. So, really excited to have her coming on here in a little bit.

Paul Neuberger:
Getting pretty gosh darn excited. We’re just 60 seconds or so away from our guest of honor. Before we bring Karmae on for this enlightening conversation, I just want to invite you to be a part of the conversation that we at C Suite for Christ have started. Now, you might not be a guest on this program anytime soon, but what we’re called to do in scripture, in one of the themes of today’s program, is we need to be light in a very dark world. And as it says in scripture, it ain’t so much the healthy that needs the doctor, but the sick. So we at C Suite for Christ, we’re not going to back down. We’re not going to be scared or timid when it comes to venturing into pretty dark recesses of society. And I would argue one of the darkest places in society is social media. You’ve got people hiding behind a facade. You’ve got people that are trolling. You’ve got people maybe from identity theft opportunities on their side. It can be a really tough place to be. And because social media is so dark, I would say social media needs Christ almost more than anybody else. So whether you’re on Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, just search for our ministry, C Suite for Christ like us, follow us, subscribe to us, but also comment on some of the things that we’re posting. Because at the end of the day, we’re better together, we’re stronger together, and, boy, Howdy, we’re going to cover this world in Christ together. One person who’s working tirelessly, both personally and professionally, to cover the world in Christ is Karmae Fahr, again, founder, president and CEO of The Fahr Group, and she joins us here now. Karmae, how are you doing today?

Karmae Fahr:
Good, good. How are you, Paul?

Paul Neuberger:
Well, I’m doing very well, thank you. Looking forward to tapping into that big brain of yours to help us to help us unpack some of this important stuff. So to kind of get us going here, Karmae, we’ve been talking about this during the entire program so far. But from your perspective, what does it mean to be salt and light? What exactly is scripture referring to when they say that?

Karmae Fahr:
Sure. And I may be repeating some of the things that you’ve shared already, but Christ makes it simple for us, which I love. He uses examples that are day-to-day items or stories that we can relate to. And so here he uses salt and light. Back in the early church days to today, we understand what salt and light are. And salt in biblical times was obviously used to flavor food, make food taste better, and also preserve food. Light really needs no explanation. It’s brightness in a dark area. So Christ said, what’s interesting is it didn’t say, be like salt and light. He said, you are salt and light. And he’s graciously given us those roles. And also what’s interesting, salt is a stable compound. I didn’t do well in chemistry, but I happen to know that much. And it becomes less tasty when impurities have affected it. And for example, a lot of salt obviously comes from the Dead Sea. The Dead Sea’s high salt content, but it has a lot of impurities. So the salt isn’t the best that you can use. And it’s much like us. If impurities come into our life, if sin comes into our life, we are not flavorful for the world. We’re not tempting the world, if you will, with the great taste of Christ. “Taste me and know that I am good,” he said. So that’s very much what he has given us. And it’s our job to be very much like him. And what was Christ? Christ was kind. He was merciful. He also was serious and focused. And so once we’re starting to exemplify and own those qualities, we are to go out and be salt, be that flavor of Christ for the world, and light. Very much so. As you said, this world is dark, and it’s getting darker. And it certainly leads to, are we in the end times? Many would say we are. And there’s nothing great about the end times or tribulation. We are charged more than ever before to be the light of the world, to go in and cast out darkness. Look at how the United States has pushed God out. They don’t want God in schools. They don’t. They don’t even want God in churches. They don’t want Christ. They don’t want salvation in churches. And you know, the government ridiculousness of separation of church and state. So it’s all being pushed out and has been through the years and we now need to come in and get rid of darkness. And the only way to do that is to bring in light and the light of Christ and how we show people, you know I read recently, three out of ten people go to church, some religious service, I should say, pretty regularly. Three in ten. That 70% of the United States doesn’t go to a religious service regularly, if at all. So who’s going to get to those people? Who’s going to share God’s kindness and love that he wants us with him for eternity? We are. We have to be. We are his light. We are his reflection, you know, light in a mirror. We’re reflected in a mirror. We can reflect Christ. So it means a lot of those things to me, and I think comes through in scripture.

Paul Neuberger:
Yeah. And one of the concepts that you hit on that I want to go a little bit deeper with, is this notion of darkness. And one of the things that I said at the outset of this program, and I’ll say it again, because I think it’s really, really true, at C Suite for Christ, we don’t practice a brand of comfortable Christianity. Our goal is not to make you comfortable. In fact, if I. If I would say anything else, our goal is just the opposite. It’s my prayer that this conversation convicts you, that it challenges you, that it makes you uncomfortable, because I think we have this addiction to comfort as a society, and there’s nothing in scripture that says Christianity equals being comfortable. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. So when we look at this really dark society again, you can keep it simple. Just think of that beloved children’s song, I suppose. This little light of mine, I’m going to let it shine. I think part of the reason that this world, this dart, this world, is so devoid of light is we as Christians, as individuals, we have the light, but we choose not to share that light. We choose not to let that light shine. Why do you, why do you think that is, Karmae? Again, I know you can’t speak for every single person, but if you’re a Christian, you have the light. And if we all let our light shine, the darkness is going to vanish. Why do so few Christians let their light shine?

Karmae Fahr:
I think it’s. Obviously, it’s a variety of reasons. And my business is in employment. We place executives in jobs, and I’ve been doing this for over 30 years. So I hear about lots of different workplaces, and what you can do, what you can’t do. And, of course, we went through a long period of time where you really couldn’t share your faith at work, it was said to be inappropriate. so people stopped doing it. People stopped being in church, so they don’t even know what being in church is. So people are not letting Christ shine in work for fear of retaliation. they won’t get the job offer. I’ve had people talk about Christ in interviews, and I’ve been told from the client, that’s inappropriate. So you’re not. You are not going to get a job offer. You’re not going to get a promotion. Family and friends are going to walk away from you because of your faith. So that’s one reason. the other thing, too, is churches have become. And obviously, I’m over generalizing, there are a lot of good churches, but there are a lot of churches who have become lukewarm. And Christ, very clearly, in revelation, talks about the church of Laodicea. You’re not hot, you’re not cold. I vomit you out of my mouth. He was repulsed by being lukewarm. So if you’re in church and they never talk about salvation and the resurrection, you got a problem. And pastors are afraid. They’re afraid that their 503 will be taken away. you know, Paul said, don’t shrink. You have to use the, you know, speak to the whole council of God. He said, in acts, he said I did not shrink from declaring you the whole council of God. And there he was, chained in a prison, underground sewer, sewage and rats and everything. And he remained positive and a light for God. And you know, unfortunately, the church is afraid because of that little Johnson amendment that’s there, that no one has ever, ever lost their tax exempt status over. So it amazes me. And here’s something else. Churches used to be the only place that you got the news. You went to your church weekly, and you got civic news, Bible news. What was going on in the world, they can’t talk about it now. But guess what? They can. They can. And particularly in election season, they’re charged with talking about it and why people need to vote. there’s a very interesting book a historian, Alvin Schmidt, how Christianity changed the world. Christianity influenced governments that changed governmental regulation. For example, they worked on child abandonment and abortion. In the roman empire India, in the 18 hundreds, they stopped burning alive of widows along with their dead husbands. This is the church stopping it. They stopped the binding of women’s feet in China in the 19 hundreds. two thirds of american abolitionists in the mid 18 hundreds were christian clergymen. Who preached at the pulpit against slavery. So churches have gotten afraid because of something that Johnson amendment, that will not hurt them. Churches have to become bold. People have to become bold. And I will tell your listeners, I’m very blessed to talk to candidates and clients on the executive level, both sides of the table. And I am hearing more than ever in this past year how people want to come out and not hide their faith anymore. They want to work for companies that share their values, that honor employees, that honor different religious choices, and they want to be able to speak their mind. So more than ever, they’re coming out of the closet, I guess you would say they don’t want to work for evil, dark companies. And I was just told that the other day by a CFO.

Paul Neuberger:
Well, that is certainly. No, I was going to say that is certainly encouraging to hear, because when you look at certain media outlets, it just seems like the world is coming to an end. When you listen to certain segments of society, it just seems like, gosh, we’re not gaining any traction. Things don’t seem to be turning around. So to be having conversations with top executives that are feeling that way and expressing those types of thoughts is certainly encouraging. I guess one of the last questions I’d have about 90 seconds or less, Karmae, if you can, is you’ve been doing this for a while. You’re very bold with respect to your faith. I know The Fahr Group is a very outspoken, Christ centric organization. So I’d like our listeners to learn a little bit from you from a practical perspective. So if one or two of our listeners today, they’re just really inspired by your outlook on life, and they want to do a better job of adhering more strictly to this biblical concept of salt and light, what would you say are two or three things that they can start to do immediately, tonight, tomorrow, whatever, to be a little bit more proficient as salt and light for Christianity again, in about 90 seconds or so.

Karmae Fahr:
Christ told us to preach the word be bold. He doesn’t want us sitting in a corner. And so what do you do to do that? You read your bible, you get into a good bible teaching church. You be still as he says, and know that I am God. You talk to him what you know. Where do you want to use me, lord, and speak to my passion. Unleash my passion, then you’re going to find your purpose. When you find your passion, and God will do that for you. He did it for us. He turned our company around about a year ago. We were always Christians in the company. But he said, it’s time, Karmae. You go out there for me and you be bold about the Christian faith. With the darkness in the world, with the wokeness in the world, the injustice in the world, we need to, with kindness and love, show Christ where he’s been pushed out of. And I just wanted to tell your listeners, there’s one book, Barry Maguire, ignite your life. Barry Maguire, everybody probably has seen his car products on the shelves. He wrote a book about sharing your faith effortlessly, and he does it with love. He just loves on people. So if you think about sharing your faith as daunting, scary love on them, get the book. Ignite your life. It’s life changing, quite frankly. As a Christian for a witness, well.

Paul Neuberger:
That’s good advice. And what I can tell you what was not daunting, what was not scary, was having this conversation with you, my friend. I really appreciate you being on the program today. Again, we’ve been blessed to be listening to Karmae Fahr. She’s the founder, president, and CEO of The Fahr Group. Karmae, 10 seconds or less. If somebody wants to learn more about your organization, where should they go? What should they do?

Karmae Fahr:
Sure, they should go to either LinkedIn or the For our website, it’s thefahrgroup.com. The website speaks to everything that we do. We do retain search, vice president through C suite, and it’s all on LinkedIn as well, under The Fahr Group.

Paul Neuberger:
Well, there you go. I really appreciate your time, Karmae. Thanks for all the great stuff you’re doing for the kingdom, and really appreciate your insight on the show today. Means a lot. Thank you.

Karmae Fahr:
I appreciate your time and the honor of doing it. Thank you, Paul.

Paul Neuberger:
Absolutely. You’re listening to covering the world in Christ with Paul Neuberger.